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Mr.What
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on: January 6, 2012, 07:47
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I am trying to build an oven (smoker) temperature control, and need to build a temperature sensor that works in the 80-400F range.

I have been looking at thermocouples. They are expensive, and they seem to measure temperature differences, not absolute temperature... and they will need signal conditioning. (Op-amp with noise filtering). On the positive side, there are many thermocouple probes available at fairly reasonable prices, all ready to go to work in an oven. I may end up back with a thermocouple.

Common thermistors are available for the -50 to 300C range. That is up to about 580F, which is fine for my use. However, I have the problem that I need to find a way to connect leads, and I need to find high-temperature tolerant insulated wire. I also may need to wrap/protect the sensor itself. How can I do this?

  • Will a crimped tube keep a solid connection in the rough environment? Or will I need to braise the connection (perhaps with jewelry silver solder, mostly silver)?
  • Is there a non-conductive material that I can coat or wrap the sensor in that will survive a dirty and hot environment?
  • Heat tolerant insulated wire is quite expensive. Is there a common appliance that may have some that I can scrounge?
  • Thermocouple wire is easier to find than heat tolerant wire. Is thermocouple extension wire a reliable, consistent conductor that I can use to hook up leads? The thermocouple voltages are very small, so I think I can work around any minor voltage bias at thermocouple junctions... assuming thermocouple extension wire is actually thermocouple wire. I just don't know. It might be cheaper, thermocouple-friendly alloy.
  • I have seen spec sheets on thermistor probes (pre-wired with covered sensor area). I'm still trying to find them in DigiKey or similar. They are frequently even more expensive than thermocouple probe assemblies.
adric
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on: January 6, 2012, 10:14
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Busy at work, so i don't have much time, but wanted to get a few ideas down an off the top of my head.

sockets for possibly plugging a thermistor sensor into that can handle heat, would include 2 prong halogen bulb sockets something like this http://www.1000bulbs.com/product/119/SOCK-QXV1.html or perhaps even one of the cheaper 75/100W ones. it will also come with 6-12" of hitemp wire. also might be scavengable from lamps/projectors at thrift stores.

as i was falling asleep lastnight I was reminded of this, for protecting it, Kapton Tapes, might be the thing to look for. some of those can handle temperatures well over 400F and upto i think about 700F, we do have a roll of tape there at the lab, im unsure how hi temp it is, but I know I was unable to melt with the soldering iron on full.

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Jettro
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Post Re: high temperature sensing (30-300C)
on: January 6, 2012, 10:50
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Check out:

http://www.sparkfun.com/products/251

That seems to be similar. Great tutorial. Typically the AD conversion needs a calibration to be more accurate. If you have access to a Fluke 80TK or Thermometer that would be helpful in getting it set correctly. I've seen the 80Tks on ebay for 30 bucks, great deal.

Mr.What
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on: January 6, 2012, 11:33
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We have seen sources for fully built thermocouple probes for $8. http://www.amazon.com/Replacement-Probe-TW362B-Oven-Thermometer/dp/B0048GD8RY/ref=pd_sim_sbs_k_2
I could go back to those. They will need an op-amp and filter circuit for signal conditioning before A/D. This reference also has $14 chips that convert K thermocouple signals to digital out. To do this in software, I might need another temperature sensor and voltage reference. I'm not sure how much of that I might have on an AVR.

adric
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Post Re: high temperature sensing (30-300C)
on: January 6, 2012, 12:48
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you sure those are thermocuple? perhaps tonight i can hook a ohm meter to the nearly identical one i have with my YATC2 kit and see if the ohmage changes with temp. i suspect since those kits only have the probe to detect with they are either digital temperature sensors or thermisters.

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Mr.What
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on: January 6, 2012, 16:58
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If that probe is a thermistor, then $8 is a fair price to pay to get a thermistor packaged with a heat-tolerant lead and a 2.5mm mono connector. It would cost me as much or more to build a similar assembly, even with a $0.80 thermistor. Heat tolerant wire is expensive.

It looks like my probe is indeed a thermistor. Around 300 K ohms at room temp, 30K in ice. Excellent. It should do well.

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