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Walter
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Post Members email list
on: October 31, 2012, 12:08
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Moving this discussion here from the board list to open it up to the membership.

Last post from Aaron:

On 10/29/2012 03:53 PM, Adric wrote:

We can have ans many or as few lists as we desire right now, (running
it on gabes freebie service, but if we migrate to swcp, its not a
great option, seeing as how they charge a setup fee of $20 and $5 a
month per list.) one of our services i don't think is a good
deal/price, although sice its usualy marketing goons that sign up
for them we often have to do a while lot of hand holding to get them
setup, and scolding when they start spamming with it. Anyone know of
another cheap reliable email list service?

I think DreamHost (among others) offers (functionally unlimited) mailman lists. $9/mo commercial.
If our 501-3c status meets their guidelines, they will give us free
service. Standard installs for wordpress, mediawiki, mailman.
We could most likely install our current wiki by hand,
assuming it is AMP based.

as for what to put on the members list and whatnot to, id pretty much
say its up to the members to decide, and if we are going to decide on
rules, we need to spell them out and come up with good alternatives,
i agreed with the suggestions of perhaps making a web page post about
it, or doing a forum post and or a facebook post. (facebook is where
we get the most inrteraction, i dont tihnk many people are making it
to the forums despite the effort to get that working.
either way especially if we add lists, we need someone to step up and
be the list admin.

I can admin one. I would volunteer for the noisy discuss list.
I recommend starting with 3 lists, in increasing order of activity
1) quelab-announce -- only big news, and workshop announcements
OPEN list
2) quelab-members -- discussion about space CLOSED
3) quelab-discuss -- open discussion OPEN

Can anybody recommend another provider?

I highly recommend DreamHost if we qualify for their
free non-profit hosting. They will want a fax
of our (SchoolFactory's) 501-3c papers.

Can somebody help with the wordpress and wiki migration?
I do not have a good track record doing that.
Walter
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on: October 31, 2012, 12:11
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I agree with Aaron, we should use DreamHost if we can do so for free. What do we need to do to get them our non-profit paperwork?

Like your idea of the 3 lists, Aaron. I'd be happy to admin the announce list. What do you mean by saying the members list would be CLOSED?
adric
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on: October 31, 2012, 16:02
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whomever is managing these lists will need to coordinate with our membership leader, to have people added/removed in a timely way. and to approve messages/squelch spam..

-Quelab, Come make something!

Mr.What
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on: October 31, 2012, 16:35
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Like your idea of the 3 lists, Aaron. I'd be happy to admin the announce list. What do you mean by saying the members list would be CLOSED?

We would maintain the members list. There would be no "opt-in", open to the public. It would be (semi-)automatically updated from the membership database.

I think google groups would be fine as long as

  • We can maintain the group membership roster by hand if we want
  • You do not need a google account to join a list

I don't know about amazon offerings. How would it work if we hosted lists and/or www with them?

http://highdesertbirdclub.org was able to get free hosting by faxing a copy of their 501(3)c paperwork to DreamHost.
The tricky part for us is that we would be riding on the SchoolFactory 501(3)c status, which may or may not be a problem.

Does SchoolFactory have a site? Can they provide the services we need?
Mr.What
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Post Dreamhost free for non-profits
on: November 2, 2012, 13:07
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From the DreamHost.com site:

Sign up for hosting with us, then fax your 501(c)(3) determination letter to 714-671-9098. Be sure to write your account number on the cover letter. We'll take it from there!

There is a limit of one account per non-profit.
So, if we apply as "School Factory", instead of Quelab,
we may want to be prepared to share the account with other
entities.
That should not be a problem, since you can have multiple domains on every account. The worst case is that we may have to share an admin password, and/or email.
adric
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on: November 2, 2012, 13:40
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there has been some fairly good suggesting, on the facebook site, will copy it here for Walter, and those others who cant be involved there...

Jeremy Hoel Are Google Groups out of the question? Free.. and you can have them be open or closed and no one has to manage anything. Beyond that, a shared small linode or amazon instance with mailman should be fine.
Wednesday at 17:14 ·

Evan Locke You guys need hosting? i got a unlimited plan on hostgator. I'll host ya.
Wednesday at 18:42 ·

John Hawley Another entity you might want to consider talking to is the guys at OSUOSL, they might be able to help.
Wednesday at 20:39 via mobile ·

Josiah England If only we knew an insider at some local ISP...

Adric Menning google groups are not out of the question, hosting might be nice, but we are trying to avoid single point of contact failure points. OSUOSL (had to google it, is an interesting suggestion, you have any names to approach? ) And as for my working at an isp we can supply some things, and they are already giving discounts for dsl (and webhosting if we ever get the site migrated, but there is a limit to how much i can beg for, and while i could probably put it under my account or something, once again we run into the problem we ran into when we lost our previous president of too many eggs being in a basket only he had control over. and while i plan to stick around and would love to be an important part of our future, i might get hit by a bus any day.
Wednesday at 21:39 ·

Aaron Birenboim I've had trouble in the past hosting for entities under my account. It is better if Quelab owns the account, if possible. Problems not unlike the ones we have now working under donations of services from Gabe. It is just better if the official owner of the account is Quelab.
Yesterday at 07:52 · Edited ·

Terri Oda A list of some places that do mailing list hosting: http://wiki.list.org/display/COM/Mailman+hosting+services
Mailman hosting services - Community - Confluence
wiki.list.org
If you are a commercial entity providing Mailman hosting services, please add yo...See more
about an hour ago ·

Terri Oda No clue about pricing and general usefulness of those, of course. OSUOSL is an interesting idea -- if they're willing they're totally awesome to work with. I'm sort of surprised someone isn't in the "business" of providing this sort of service to hacklabs the way groups like GuildLaunch provide for gamer guilds.
about an hour ago ·

Terri Oda Incidentally, while you don't need a google account to join a google group if you just use it as a mailing list, it's seriously awkward to manage your list settings without one, particularly if you *have* a google account but don't use it for email. It was actually nigh impossible for me to unsubscribe from some of the ones I was put on in university (short of asking an admin) at one point due to some bug where all it would do was try to unsubscribe my google account instead of the actual subscribed email address. I hope they've fixed it, but I don't particularly recommend them for groups who have to sign people up from paper signup sheets as a result. :/
42 minutes ago ·

-Quelab, Come make something!

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